<Me> says (7:29 PM)
I'm considering
getting a vasectomy
<Jeffrey>
says (7:29 PM)
why?
<Me> says
(7:30 PM)
idk
<Jeffrey>
says (7:33 PM)
it's actually
stupid to get vasectomy now
like really
Not only are you
too young, your opinion will change later in life.
and you're closing
off options
<Me> says
(7:34 PM)
I'm talking about
after my 18th
lol
<Jeffrey>
says (7:34 PM)
still too young
<Me> says
(7:34 PM)
I disagree;
<Jeffrey>
says (7:34 PM)
under 30-40 is
basically too young.
<Me> says
(7:34 PM)
you can argue that
my opinion might change.
But the fact of
the matter is there are so many more benefits than consequences
<Jeffrey>
says (7:34 PM)
such as
<Me> says
(7:35 PM)
Typically, the
only consequences of a vasectomy are
Lowered sex drive (studies have shown around a 6% sex drive reduction
post-vasectomy)
Inability to have children
<Jeffrey>
says (7:35 PM)
Inability to have
children is a big one..
<Me> says
(7:36 PM)
The first comment
is questionable and is solely dependant on the variables used, such as the
target demographic, the range of the sample, and the sample itself
The second one is
redundant because there are several ways to have children post-vasectomy
Remember that a
vasectomy is reversable
<Jeffrey>
says (7:36 PM)
really?
I never knew
that...
<Me> says
(7:36 PM)
yes.
it's very
expensive
<Me> says
(7:37 PM)
but it is
reversable
You might be
thinking of castration, the physical removal of the testes
<Jeffrey>
says (7:37 PM)
No
I know what it is
<Jeffrey>
says (7:38 PM)
always thought it
was permanent
<Me> says
(7:38 PM)
A vasectomy is
simply the tieing of the vas deferens, cutting off the supply of semen to an
ejaculation
<Me> says
(7:39 PM)
It is considered
"permanent" contraceptive only because of its difficulty to reverse,
as opposed to more conventional methods such as the pill and barrier
contraceptives
<Jeffrey>
says (7:40 PM)
why do you even
want to have a vasectomy anyway
<Me> says
(7:40 PM)
<Jeffrey>
says (7:29 PM)
why?
<Me> says
(7:30 PM)
idk
<Me> says
(7:41 PM)
Anyway,
<Me> says
(7:42 PM)
the pros of
vasectomies are
-relatively
non-intrusive and very little pain
-less than 0.1%
failure rate in first year, and after sperm count has dropped to zero has
perfect failure rate (0.0% failure rate)
-Sex without
condoms
-you can't get
framed for being a daddy later in life from a drunk one night stand with a
stupid whore who got pregnant from someone else
<Jeffrey>
says (7:43 PM)
lol, I guess
<Me> says
(7:45 PM)
point in case: I
personally can never see myself being a father. I believe that through my own
intelligence and knowledge, if I ever were to become a father, I would be
negligent and, by societical judgement, a "bad" parent. I'm very
impatient and cannot stand having to explain things to people, let alone having
to teach a kid a language from nothing.
I think that the
benefits, under these circumstances, outweigh the "negative" of not
being able to have kids (which technically is a positive at this point in time
anyway)
<Jeffrey>
says (7:47 PM)
your mindset would
most likley change when you actually get a kid
<Me> says
(7:53 PM)
unfortunately
that's not solid proof to your claims.
You might be
right,
but this is about
providing a supporting case as to why it's legitimate based on absolute ideas.
It's no secret
that I hate kids, that I don't believe in love, and that I never want to be a
father or get married or even be in a seriously long term relationship.
<Me> says
(7:54 PM)
brb
<Jeffrey>
says (7:54 PM)
k
<Me> says
(8:13 PM)
k
your reply?
<Me> says
(8:14 PM)
Leks
Dysleksic
<Jeffrey>
says (8:15 PM)
i DON'T THINK i
CAN REPLY TO THAT
invert the caps
<Me> says
(8:15 PM)
fair enough
So I win?
<Jeffrey>
says (8:16 PM)
It's not something
you can win or lose...
<Me> says
(8:16 PM)
I treat it as such
<Jeffrey>
says (8:16 PM)
since it's not an
argument of right and wrong
<Me> says
(8:16 PM)
Jeffrey,
the interesting
court cases are never an argument of right and wrong
it's an argument
if "who is less wrong"
<Jeffrey>
says (8:16 PM)
But it's not
mutual agreement either.
<Me> says
(8:16 PM)
wat.
oh
yeah, so?
<Me> says
(8:17 PM)
mutual agreement
is boring
<Jeffrey>
says (8:17 PM)
Well, for one
you're being neutral.
I might be right
<Me> says
(8:17 PM)
either you just
accept that my point of view is better than you,
yours*
or that I won
or present your
rebuttal to my claim
<Jeffrey>
says (8:17 PM)
How can I make a
rebuttal to a neutral statement..
<Me> says
(8:18 PM)
<Me> says
(7:53 PM)
unfortunately
that's not solid proof to your claims.
You might be
right,
but this is about
providing a supporting case as to why it's legitimate based on absolute ideas.
It's no secret
that I hate kids, that I don't believe in love, and that I never want to be a
father or get married or even be in a seriously long term relationship.
I replied to your
claim of being "your viewpoint might change"
<Jeffrey>
says (8:18 PM)
yes
<Me> says
(8:18 PM)
which means that
either my view is now all-encompasing and you can't argue against it (solid
evidence, i.e. I won)
<Jeffrey>
says (8:18 PM)
lolno
<Me> says
(8:18 PM)
or you can
argue against it, and I do employ you to do so
<Jeffrey>
says (8:19 PM)
if you think you
won, you're retarded. I can't argue against an opinion
because no matter
what
you can't change
your opinion based on that
<Me> says
(8:19 PM)
well the thing is
that it's not about changing your opinion, it's about accepting the evidence.
I managed to
argue, effectively, against your opinion
<Me> says
(8:20 PM)
and my opinion
was, although neutral in a sense that it revolved around pros AND cons,
still was an
opinion and was never swayed towards the "I don' really know if it's
better or worse" that is true neutrality
I still have an
opinion, and that is that despite the negative connotations you believe
surround a vasectomy, I still strongly believe it to be a sound idea and
reasonable decision to make when I turn 18
<Jeffrey>
says (8:22 PM)
The economic costs
are not worth it as opposed to cheaper alternatives.
The fact you may
change your mind should signal that you may want to have children later in life
thus shouldn't get it. What if something happens and it turns out it's
irreversible.
You cannot acquire
your spawn.
<Me> says
(8:25 PM)
success rate of
condoms: 95% (with around 97 to 98% if used perfectly)
success rate of
the contraceptive pill: around 97 to 98% if taken perfectly
success rate of
vasectomy: >99.9% in first year, 100% after approximately 16 ejaculations
<Me> says
(8:26 PM)
There are sperm
banks and methods of sperm preservation to make sure if you change your mind,
there's no backing down.
there are also surrogate
programs and artificial insemination methods thanks to advances in modern
science so even if you don't have your own sperm and not enough money for the
reversal, you can still have a child
<Me> says
(8:27 PM)
99% of raising a
child is watching them grow, and they are even considered by parents to be
"pets that eventually learn to talk"
<Me> says
(8:28 PM)
If both parents
are fully accepting of the child, regardless of the biology of it, they will
embrace it totally as their own.
<Jeffrey>
says (8:28 PM)
true, but it won't
be your genetics
<Me> says
(8:28 PM)
what I just said
bypass the "genetics" argument
<Jeffrey>
says (8:29 PM)
you'd always have
the thought that it's not your genetics, even if you do love the child.
<Me> says
(8:29 PM)
but the idea
behind the genetics isn't even a negative thing,
after only a few
years of raising the child, it is as close to yours as it could possibly be,
anyway
<Me> says
(8:30 PM)
Very few parents
actually reflect on their children as an extension of themselves,
and think,
"wow, there's
a part of me in him/her"
As I explained,
the majority of parenthood is watching the child grow
and the enjoyment
from things like its first step, its first word, going to school, and even
watching it grow up,
is purely from an
emotional, not biological or genetic, standpoint
<Me> says
(8:31 PM)
As long as you
want the child, there will be no worry about it not being your own,
legitimately.
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